Ciliatus x Chahoua hybrid...

[smith710]

I was just curious about what you guys thought about this?  I see them selling them on kingsnake classifieds all the time.  Also, are they steril afterwards?

[firecrested]

I dont know if they are sterile.? In the ad it says that they are,? but I dont like them either way.? I would never buy one even if they dropped to $10.   If you see dogs crossed to each other they usually are free and that's how i think of it, as a mut. 

[smith710]

I was thinking the same thing.? I don't think I mind it that much though.

[NYCrestie]

guess ill go against the grain here

i personally think they are amazing looking
would definately own one
sure as hell wouldnt pay anywhere near the $700 price tag i seen on one ad on kingsnake, thats just outright retarded. probably wouldnt pay much for one, halfway between a buckskin crested and a juvie chahoua seems like a fair price, but i still wouldnt pay that much for one

however
i do feel that proper labeling and representation is a must and should not be bred back to test fertility.
i havent heard of a female hybrid being produced, and so im hoping that they arent being bred back to test fertility but im sure they are.

[firecrested]

There was one ad on there that said they were sterile so I'm guessing they were bred back to each other unless it was just a guess.  But my question is what's the point in breeding a chahoua to a crested when you can breed chahoua x chahoua or crested xcrested and they look better.

[smith710]

They definately do look pretty cool.

[NYCrestie]

There was one ad on there that said they were sterile so I'm guessing they were bred back to each other unless it was just a guess.  But my question is what's the point in breeding a chahoua to a crested when you can breed chahoua x chahoua or crested xcrested and they look better.

how they look is just an opinion
i respect that you dont like they way they look, i think they look amazing and have seen 1 in person
one ad said they were sterile, but ive seen ads that said they arent sterile
i believethe only way to test their sterility is by having them  bred back because as far as ive seen and heard, noone has produced a 50/50 female

the ad might have said they were sterile because noone has produced a 50/50 female, they have all been males
again, as far as i know, i certainly have no experience in this and is all from what ive heard

[smith710]

Ok well since they are around we have to think up a scientific name for them.  I vote for Rhacodatylus Cilihoua or Rhacodactylus Chiliatus.  I think I like Cilihoua better.

[honuman]

I think they are pretty cool looking.  Personally I don't think it's a good practice though.  I believe they actually can be bred back and are not sterile animals.   This of course creates a whole new can of worms.  If you have fertile animals then you breed it back to a crestie and can create an animal that, for all the world, looks like a crestie but has some new and unique colors.  It would be like cheating to create a new color morph.   That coupled with the fact that one could really screw up the gene pool by introducing animals that may physically look like a crestie or a chahoua yet not not be "pure", makes it an unsavory practice. 

Steve

[firecrested]

there was one on kingsnake that looked very very close to a crested.

[honuman]

The one I saw at a reptile expo looked like a HUGE crested with all kinds of strange color patterns. 

[laciep]

First of all, hybrids are nothing like mixed breed dogs.  a mixed breed dog is like breeding a creascicle to a chocolate harley.  You are just mixing the alleles of diffrent geotypes of the same species.  A chihuahua is a canis lupus as is a poodle or a mixed breed.  The gecko hybirdization is more like the hybridized bengal cats ( i am an owner of one).  It is a mixing of two very similar but disticnt species of animals in the same genus. 

Hybridization may seem like it would compromise the genetic makeup of animals, but as seen in mules and hybrid cats, these mixings often result in hybrid vigor. 


I think hybridization iis greatly misunderstood and seen as an inherently bad thing.  In the specific instance of new caldoniea geckos there is a high likely hood that these geckos could come into contact and hybridize in the wild as there are minimal post zygotic barriers preventing their meeting, as compared to the lion and tiger hybrids which are virtually impossible in the wild.

I can also say that the best cats in the world are bengals... hybrids

[NYCrestie]

there was one on kingsnake that looked very very close to a crested.

The one I saw at a reptile expo looked like a HUGE crested with all kinds of strange color patterns.

from what ive seen and heard from hybrid breeders they almost always look like cresteds minus the crests and the addition of a more prehensile tail liek the chahoua

the color and patterns on hybrids are absolutely amazing imo

[smith710]

That's what I have seen so far also.  They look kinda like a sarisinorum, a crested with no crests basically, except with more green coloration to them.

[honuman]

Yep that's about it.  Nice and interesting but the what's the point?