Ciliatus x Chahoua hybrid...

[Liz]

i think it's kinda wierd. I mean i guess they look kinda cool but i dont know.

[firecrested]

First of all, hybrids are nothing like mixed breed dogs.? a mixed breed dog is like breeding a creascicle to a chocolate harley.? You are just mixing the alleles of diffrent geotypes of the same species.

breeding a creamsicle to a chocolate harley is still breeding the same species together.  That would be like breeding a red pit bull to a black pit bull, different colors but same dog.

[monster]

species hybrids happens all the time in nature, in animals and plants. there are so many thouands of apple trees out there it makes your head swim. over 2/3 the apples sold today at the grocery store are not true bloods (so to speak). it all starts somewhere. i understand what you mean about control issues though, if the species wouldn't naturally meet in the wild then maybe we should leave it that way, maybe not, it's debatable. BUT, they are both geckos. it's not like crossing pig genes into strawberry's to make the fruit cold hardy.? ?
for all we know, it's probably already happened. how do we know if "pure" cresteds were first collected form the wild? we don't. we never will. hybrids & mutation is always happening in nature, it's what keeps things going. selective breeding for one trait, like pinstripes, could be considered a mutation and un-pure. its all in the eye of the beholder. think about the impact our breeders designer crested geckos would make in the wild if they were released.
personally, i really dig the crests on the geckos, so i probably won't be interested in these Ciliatus x Chahoua hybrids, no matter how cool the colors and patterns. i think leaf tail geckos are pretty sharp looking, if someone crossed them with something bright orange & cream swirled, still maintaining their body structure i'd be all over it.
my two cents.
-jULIE-

[honuman]

First of all, hybrids are nothing like mixed breed dogs.? a mixed breed dog is like breeding a creascicle to a chocolate harley.? You are just mixing the alleles of diffrent geotypes of the same species.

breeding a creamsicle to a chocolate harley is still breeding the same species together.? That would be like breeding a red pit bull to a black pit bull, different colors but same dog.

Actually the first statement is true.? All dogs are the same specie.? A chihuahua and St. Barnard are the exact same specie.? They are just bred to have different traits but mating a chihuahua to a St Bernard (and though logistically it would be hard to do it WOULD work) would be the  exact same thing as breeding a harley to a red tiger crestie.

Steve

[honuman]

species hybrids happens all the time in nature, in? how do we know if "pure" cresteds were first collected form the wild? we don't. we never will.. selective breeding for one trait, like pinstripes, could be considered a mutation and un-pure.

Point well taken.? The likelihood that cresties orginally harvested from the wild are unpure is slim --though certainly not impossible.? The problem with breeding a certain trait is not necessarily getting that trait but perhaps breeding some other mutation in the animal that is undesirable.? (Example; all the varieties of purebred dogs that have many health issues associated with their breed).

I think perhaps we have a little more leeway with crestie genetics BUT eventually --- down the pike line-breeding and inbreeding could possibly lead to "undersirable" or even "lethal" genetic traits.

Anthony -- have you heard of or experienced any such situations yet??

Steve

[Rhacodactyl]

I'm mostly in agreement with monster and laciep.  I dont' mind hybrids at all when honestly represented, and there are an awful lot of misunderstandings about hybrids in general in the reptile hobby.  Everyone will have their own opinions which is fine, but when people start trying to attach morals to the practice of hybridizing (ie. it is inherently "wrong" etc) I think it goes too far. 

[whtwulf]

I think the hybrids have potential.  If any of you know anything about African cichlids, then you know that some of the most dynamic fish are the result of hybridization.  Like stated before, as long as they are accurately represented there is no problem, only potential.  Especially if they are not sterile.  Have to wait and see.

[gsreptiles]

I'm not a huge fan of the way that they look BUT I do not mind them breeding because like many of you said hybrids happen in nature and there is a very very slight chance that the original cresteds collected from the wild had no other Rhacodactylus species blood in them. I find hybrid snakes in the field quite often and they seem to be healthy from what I have seen. I also think that we should try and keep bloodlines as pure as possible because hybrids are still a minority in the wild

[honuman]

I dont' mind hybrids at all when honestly represented

That is the thing.  Trusting that they will be honestly represented so that you person purchases one for breeding knows the exact background of the animal.

[honuman]

I'm not a huge fan of the way that they look BUT I do not mind them breeding because like many of you said hybrids happen in nature and there is a very very slight chance that the original cresteds collected from the wild had no other Rhacodactylus species blood in them.

Again -- it's not impossible but in this instance highly unlikely and I am in agreement with you.  Not a huge fan but still they are fascinating.

[firecrested]

I wouldnt mind that way if everyone was honest about them, but I dont like the thought of someone being able to breed them back into cresteds if they are sterile and sell them as maybe a "new color or new morph" crested. ?There are people out there that will do that if someone is willing to pay the money.

[smith710]

Of course they will.  These days, money is everything.

[Liz]

sad,  people just in it for the money.

[firecrested]

Someone had some juvies on KS 25% chahoua x 75% crested.  From the picture posted, it looked like a 100% crested.

[NYCrestie]

i still dont believe that ad

that ad said they were from hybrid parents. i have yet to hear of anyone producing a female hybrid

and i still cant understand wanting in excess of $300 for one. it is not a pure chahoua, so how can you expect to get that kind of price? i just dont get it. and why would people pay that much for a hybrid? when you can get your own chahoua for that price an produce you own if you wanted to

i still like hybrids, just not the price tag